For some reason years ago I'd gotten it into my head that Jesus Christ meant "the anointed messiah" and so was meant to be more of a title than his name, so thank you for teaching me something. I do think many of Yeshua's words had been put into his mouth by others well after the fact, whether or not the gospels describe one person or an amalgamation of several people or if he was just made up.
The prophecy about Jerusalem being in a state where no stone would be on top of another stone seems a good candidate for someone after 70 CE to have decided "Yeshua definitely would have foreseen this," and so corrected the story. And the parable about the farm workers hired later in the day getting paid as much as the workers who had been at the farm all day doesn't seem to fit the style of many of his other parables, but addresses issues Paul was dealing with in *his* ministry. Not to mention that Paul called himself an apostle and said his law came straight from Yeshua, though he seems to know nothing of the Yeshua in the gospels. So Yeshua (were he to have existed) was barely cold before people started thinking they could improve on him.
I think you made a valid and very interesting point. But I believe the change is to separate him from his human physicality rather than a mere white supremacy thing. More to separate him from us instead of one of us becoming enlightened and showing the way to everyone as children of the Divine. Then we seek him outside instead of seeking the Divine inside.
So we should really call him Joshua Christ. That's funny to me for some reason. I've got no beef with Yeshua ben Yosef. Dude was based as hell. It's his followers that I can't stand.
I vaguely recall commenting on the Medium edition of this article.
I have just now learned that Jordan Peterson consistently refers to the Hebrew prophet Elijah as Elias which is the Roman version of his name that appeared in Catholic Bibles before 1960. From the same source, I have learned that Peterson has never learned any of the Biblical languages, i.e. he does not know Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, or Greek although his most recent book is a rather large tome on the Bible. The Romans were the conquerors and colonizers of Israel.
Yeshua Kristos. The more I look at this guy, the more....
Peterson's most recent book is entitled "We Who Wrestle With God", a reference to the story of Jacob. I would like to see an anthology of critiques of him entitled "We Who Wrestle with Peterson"
At any rate, this seemed tangentially relevant to your article so I thought I would post it.
Your name is your name. If my name was Joshua, do you really think I’d be ok with people calling me Jesus, Isus, Yeshua, etc? Fuck no, call me by my actual name
Words are all made up. “Jesus is the English name for Joshua so it’s ok” is bullshit. Make your mouth say their real name no matter how uncomfortable it makes you. This applies to everyone - real people and fictional
For some reason years ago I'd gotten it into my head that Jesus Christ meant "the anointed messiah" and so was meant to be more of a title than his name, so thank you for teaching me something. I do think many of Yeshua's words had been put into his mouth by others well after the fact, whether or not the gospels describe one person or an amalgamation of several people or if he was just made up.
The prophecy about Jerusalem being in a state where no stone would be on top of another stone seems a good candidate for someone after 70 CE to have decided "Yeshua definitely would have foreseen this," and so corrected the story. And the parable about the farm workers hired later in the day getting paid as much as the workers who had been at the farm all day doesn't seem to fit the style of many of his other parables, but addresses issues Paul was dealing with in *his* ministry. Not to mention that Paul called himself an apostle and said his law came straight from Yeshua, though he seems to know nothing of the Yeshua in the gospels. So Yeshua (were he to have existed) was barely cold before people started thinking they could improve on him.
There are several books in the Bible that are thought to be forgeries by actual biblical scholars evidently Paul has several of these.
I think you made a valid and very interesting point. But I believe the change is to separate him from his human physicality rather than a mere white supremacy thing. More to separate him from us instead of one of us becoming enlightened and showing the way to everyone as children of the Divine. Then we seek him outside instead of seeking the Divine inside.
So we should really call him Joshua Christ. That's funny to me for some reason. I've got no beef with Yeshua ben Yosef. Dude was based as hell. It's his followers that I can't stand.
I vaguely recall commenting on the Medium edition of this article.
I have just now learned that Jordan Peterson consistently refers to the Hebrew prophet Elijah as Elias which is the Roman version of his name that appeared in Catholic Bibles before 1960. From the same source, I have learned that Peterson has never learned any of the Biblical languages, i.e. he does not know Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, or Greek although his most recent book is a rather large tome on the Bible. The Romans were the conquerors and colonizers of Israel.
Yeshua Kristos. The more I look at this guy, the more....
Peterson's most recent book is entitled "We Who Wrestle With God", a reference to the story of Jacob. I would like to see an anthology of critiques of him entitled "We Who Wrestle with Peterson"
At any rate, this seemed tangentially relevant to your article so I thought I would post it.
"Yeshua" (ישוע) is the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Joshua.”
"Ἰησοῦς" (Iēsous) is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Jesus.”
Thus, the names “Joshua” and “Jesus” are essentially the same; both are English pronunciations of the Hebrew and Greek names for our Lord.
Nothing to do with white supremacy.
You are projecting your own issues onto a non-issue and making something that isn’t racist, a thing about racism.
“That which we call a rose / By any other name would smell as sweet” (Romeo and Juliet, II:i)
This quote from Romeo and Juliet points out that changing the language of a word does not change the thing being described.
For example:
We call a wireless telephone a “cellphone.”
In German, it becomes a ‘handy’.
In Spanish, it is a ‘celular’ in French, a ‘natel’.
The language changes, but the object itself does not.
In the same way, we can refer to Jesus as
“Jesus,”(English)
“Yeshua,”(Hebrew)
“Ἰησοῦς” (Greek)
“YehSou” (Cantonese)
“Ježíš” (Czech)
“Isus” (Croatian)
Gesù (Italian)
イエス (Japanese)
without changing His nature. In any language, His name means “The Lord Is Salvation.”
It doesn’t matter if you end your prayers saying:
‘In Jesus name’
‘In Isus name’
‘In Yeshua name’
‘In イエス name’
The different language does not change the nature of what is being referenced.
This has nothing to do with white supremacy.
It has everything to do with what language you speak.
Look at it this way:
The assertion you have put forth that,
“Using his Hebrew/Aramaic name "Yeshua" (ישוע) is the only way to refer to Jesus properly”
Is actually the racist position to take.
How so?:
It ignores all other cultures and languages asserting that other foreign languages are inferior to describe an objective person, place, or thing.
Consider this:
You go by Lilith in English, but if I spoke any of the below languages I would call you the corresponding name:
Hebrew: לִילִית (Lilit)
Arabic: ليليث (Lailith)
Russian: Лилит (Lilit)
Greek: Λίλιθ (Lílith)
Japanese: リリス (Ririsu)
Chinese (Mandarin): 利莉丝 (Lìlìsī)
Korean: 릴리스 (Lilliseu)
Calling you by your name in a different language does not change who you are, what you are, or anything about your nature.
Remember:
“That which we call a rose / By any other name would smell as sweet” (Romeo and Juliet, II:i)
Just because the language changes does not mean the person, place, or thing being described changes.
So of course:
You can pray using the name of Jesus in your native language, whether English, Hebrew, French, German, etc.
To suggest people can’t is actually the racist position to take.
‘In Jesus name’
‘In Isus name’
‘In Yeshua name’
‘In イエス name’
The name, in its respective language, are all referring to the same person. Who is being referenced does not change just because the language changes.
The demons do not shutter in fear because you said the name, "Yeshua" “Jesus” “Joshua” or “イエス”. They shutter because of ‘Whom’ you are referring to.
I hope this helps and you’re feeling well.
Your name is your name. If my name was Joshua, do you really think I’d be ok with people calling me Jesus, Isus, Yeshua, etc? Fuck no, call me by my actual name
Words are all made up. “Jesus is the English name for Joshua so it’s ok” is bullshit. Make your mouth say their real name no matter how uncomfortable it makes you. This applies to everyone - real people and fictional